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Question about OpenID

February 6, 2008
OpenID Falling into the category of “you’re smarter than me,” I have a question for those of you who know anything/much/lots about OpenID. As you can see in the illustration, I’ve chosen to use the Wordpress.com installation of OpenID. I tied it to my Wordpress.com account and have so far used it in only two places. I’m thinking that every time I offer up an OpenID, I’ll point to that one. So far so good, right? ( To get up to speed on OpenID, go here).

What happens if Wordpress.com folds? What happens if they change their mind and start charging me, or I leave them for someone else, or whatever? By choosing Wordpress.com (or Yahoo.com, or anyone.com) as my OpenID host/provider/whatever you call it, what happens to my ID should I choose to move it?

What do you know/think?

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Comment by Coop on February 6, 2008 @ 11:46 am

If you want to use multiple OpenID providers, set up your Blog as your URI using YADIS to designate priorities to your different providers: http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/2007/01/03/OpenID-for-non-SuperUsers

Of course, if you are afraid of leaving your OpenID in the hands of a provider who could disappear at any moment, you can host your own identity server: http://wiki.openid.net/Run_your_own_identity_server

Hope these help!

Comment by Christa on February 6, 2008 @ 11:48 am

Unfortunately, if WordPress.com as a domain folded or if they started charging and you didn’t want to pay, you would lose your OpenID. Even if that didn’t happen and you moved your domain over to WordPress.com your old ID of username.wordpress.com would cease to exist and your username.wordpress.com OpenID would disappear right along side of it.

Fortunately, there are things you can do to help ensure longevity of your OpenID. The whole purpose to OpenID is to provide a decentralized system and ensure data portability. You can install a bit of code into your own homepage that points at your OpenID provider of choice thereby allowing you to use your own domain name/blog name as your OpenID account and should your provider cease to exist, you domain name won’t necessarily (or at least you have control over that) and can just change the code at will to a new provider.

Simon Willson wrote a great howto so rather than repeat it or reinvent the wheel, here’s the link to it: http://simonwillison.net/2006/Dec/19/openid/

Good luck and welcome to OpenID! :)

Comment by chrisbrogan on February 6, 2008 @ 11:49 am

Thanks, Coop! I appreciate this stuff. I’m reading through it now.

Comment by William Spaetzel on February 6, 2008 @ 12:02 pm

Just like Coop suggested, I have set up my domain to redirect to MyOpenId as my OpenID provider.

If MyOpenID folds, I just have to change the tags in my blog’s header and redirect to another Open ID provider.

So as long as I keep paying for my domain, I’ll never have to worry about losing my OpenId identity.

Comment by courtney benson on February 6, 2008 @ 12:22 pm

Thanks for asking that question Chris, I’ve been concerned about it as well and thanks coop for the input.

I was just looking at a new company that has a interesting twist on OPEN ID. Have you heard about Vidoop? They have a “software-only, multi-factor user login technology based on categorized images. When a user enrolls, he chooses image categories from a bank of possible image content (such as airplanes, cars, or keys). This constitutes the shared secret. Then, upon proof of receipt of an access code transmitted out-of-band by e-mail or phone, the user’s computer is activated with a software token”. You might want to check it out.

Comment by Geoff Manning on February 6, 2008 @ 12:48 pm

Chris, I was going to post a comment regarding hosting your own OpenID but seems like I’m late to the party! Take Care!

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Comment by Jonathan Mulholland on February 6, 2008 @ 1:18 pm

Also, I believe you can consolidate OpenID’s, at least this option is offered by my OpenID provider - ClaimID.

If at some future point you no longer wanted to use your WordPress based OpenID you could merge in under a new/different one using this approach.

See http://claimid.com/openid

Comment by Riaz on February 6, 2008 @ 1:21 pm

As others of said, you can add your provider inside the tag of your blog and then use your blog URL as your openid URL. That way if the provider disappears its no problem to change provider.

This site shows how to do this well:

http://simonwillison.net/2006/Dec/19/openid/

Comment by Daniel Schildt on February 6, 2008 @ 7:01 pm

Thanks much for information given in comments. I have been thinking of the same question before and now I know more of what could be done to improve things.

Comment by Mark on February 6, 2008 @ 9:15 pm

I get to be the dunce of the class and say that I was getting all pumped about OpenId just the other day but THEN I went to set things up and all I got was confused.

Seriously, if OpenId is supposed to be something simple, it is not - it is, in fact, the opposite. There are so many places to set up an ID, it is quite confounding.

I finally settled on this service:

http://iocchelli.myopenid.com/

But, BUT, I am still confused. Is it the right one? What happens if IT goes under?

And I also have a WordPress account and know that it can act as my OpenId but what the HECK does THAT mean.

I need some serious help.

Just stick the pointy hat on my head and start snickering. I can take it. :)

Comment by Rick Mahn on February 7, 2008 @ 12:23 am

Hi Chris - looks like I’m also way late to mention using your blog as your OpenID - but hey, great minds right…

I forget where I found out how to do it, but yes it’s really just a couple of tags in the blog and selecting a provider. I use Verisign’s PIP which is in beta (https://pip.verisignlabs.com/) not sure if it’ll end up being a pay-for service, but has worked great so far.

Regards,
Rick

Comment by Dave Murphy on February 7, 2008 @ 4:47 am

I am my own OpenID provider on a couple of my domains thanks to phpMyId (http://siege.org/projects/phpMyID). It only hosts a single user (fine for me), and was reasonably easy to setup.

If you host your own site then there’s no reason to rely on a third party for your OpenID.

Comment by Jonathan Mulholland on February 7, 2008 @ 8:12 am

Hey Mark (http://completerunning.com/)

if hosting your own OpenID provider is a bit over the top for your needs, then I really recommend taking a look at ClaimID.

Aside from providing a very good way of consolidating (and verifying) your online identity, they also off one of the simplest OpenID processes I have seen. See - http://claimid.com/openid

Comment by Coop on February 7, 2008 @ 9:40 am

I just wanted to cosign Jonathon’s recommendation of ClaimID.

It’s super simple, the identity management features are awesome (it helped me get on Google’s radar as there is a very well known graphic designer with my name), and it supports adding multiple OpenIDs to your ClaimID account.

Comment by dominic on February 7, 2008 @ 1:51 pm

I’ll belatedly hop on the ClaimID bandwagon as well - I’d looked in to OpenID before, and got confused as soon as I got into the delegation-stuff. ClaimID’s explanation for how to set up delegation is easy, straightforward and they have the added bonus of letting you aggregate OpenID providers.

http://claimid.com/deidson

Comment by David on February 7, 2008 @ 2:22 pm

I use my domain as my openID i signed up to https://www.myopenid.com/ and slapped

in my website head tag

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Comment by Judi Sohn on February 10, 2008 @ 2:06 pm

I also use my blog as my OpenID URL tied to my Wordpress.com account. If anything happens to Wordpress.com, it’s easy to switch to another provider simply by changing 2 lines of code in my blog’s HTML. I’ve already done that once, as a matter of fact, since I started out with a different OpenID provider. I settled on Wordpress.com as my OpenID provider since it’s a site I log into every day anyway, one less site to bookmark and one less username/password to remember.

Comment by John Eckman on February 14, 2008 @ 4:52 pm

You should also enable OpenID for commenting - there is a WP-OpenID plugin, which I use, but I don’t know if you can run in on the hosted wordpress.com edition.

Comment by Chris on May 30, 2008 @ 9:04 am

I know I’m awfully late to this party, but this single sign-on concept is one I had been considering for some time, from a developer’s point of view, and I only recently came across openId.

I like this question, and it occurs to me that it might be good for sites that accept open id to provide some means for associating an alternate open id with an account in case one disappears.

I haven’t looked at all the specs for openid yet, so I apologize if my comment seems a bit uninformed.

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